The LeBron James vs. Michael Jordan GOAT debates are about to his a different stratosphere, folks. I get it, there's no sports right now and we need something to talk about. It's why I've had to deal with OBJ trade rumors for an entire week. But man, I really didn't think that the premiere of The Last Dance documentary was going to send the LeBron vs.

Jordan debates to this level. The damn thing hasn't even aired yet and social media is a warzone. I knew the debates were coming, but holy, this is already on another level and will only gain steam as the series goes on.The battle is diving into the details of competition and who had the better teams around them during the title runs. Jordan fans will always remind you that he never lost an NBA Finals series. LeBron fans will be quick to counter with his 2016 performance, when he knocked off the 72-win Golden State Warriors on the road after being down 3-1.

LeBron James vs. Michael Jordan Comparison Head-to-head comparison between the NBA stars Michael Jordan and LeBron James that includes championships won, honors and awards obtained, regular season and playoffs stats and other data put side by side.

You could go back and forth for hours, and because we have nothing else to do, it almost certainly will.I'd estimate that a solid majority of NBA fans under the age of 30 have likely never seen Michael Jordan actually play. Like really play. They've seen the highlights.

They've seen the clips. They've seen the shot vs. Or the game-winner against the Cavs, but they've never seen the MJ Bulls at this depth. They've never seen why so many people have him down as the greatest ever, even with what LeBron has done. Will this sway the way people think? It honestly might.

There's nothing that could compare to seeing something happen and grow in front of your eyes, but this documentary is going to add to the scope of MJ's greatness. It will certainly open eyes of younger fans to how tough the Bulls run actually was. Will that make people go from saying LeBron is the best ever to MJ? I don't know. I do know that it's going to add to MJ's career narrative immensely.

A lot of eyes are going to be opened to stuff they've never seen before.As someone who has watched LeBron play from high school all the way up to now, it's hard for me to not say he's the best ever. As a Cavs fan, I'm biased. He brought me the greatest joy ever in 2016. LeBron himself. Coincidentally, MJ and the Cavs marched through Cleveland during their championship parade. LeBron is still three rings short of Michael. With five more NBA Finals series loses than MJ. It's not crazy to think LeBron could catch MJ in rings.

It definitely hurts that this year's season is in jeopardy due to the Coronavirus pandemic that has swept the world. The Lakers looked like they could do it and bring Bron his fourth. That's some shitty luck. What we're about to watch for the next five weeks is about to show a whole generation that everything wasn't easy for the Bulls, despite how breezy they made it look. That right there is what could sway an entire flock of people into MJ's corner.

It's a fun debate and one that will never go away. It's about to get a whole lot crazier over the next month as America tunes into The Last Dance to see just how special Jordan and that Bulls team were.And while the book isn't closed on LeBron's career and he l.

Ever since LeBron James was deemed as The Chosen One, there has been a conversation about whether he could surpass Michael Jordan as the greatest of all time. He grew up idolizing MJ, dressing like him, wearing his shoes, and studying his play style. Once he joined the league, he even donned his number 23.LeBron has recently appeared in his eighth straight NBA Finals series. He has nine in total and now holds a record of 3–6.

Jordan, as we all know, has six rings in six appearances. Oftentimes, the rings argument is what puts MJ ahead of LeBron in debates on who is the GOAT. However, rings shouldn't carry that much weight. If they did, the greatest player ever would be Bill Russell, who won 11 championships in his 13-year career.Who is considered the GOAT of basketball is important because of the impact one player can have on the game.

Unlike football, where 53 men play, basketball teams can be completely changed by one man. In order to end this debate of who's the greatest, one needs to look at the. Currently, Jordan holds a lead in all accolades minus Rookie of the Year, All-Star appearances, All-NBA Team, and Hall of Fame. He has a better Finals record as well as three more rings than LeBron. He also has three more All-Defense selections and one more MVP award.

He also has a Defensive Player of the Year award, an accomplishment that has eluded James. While LeBron could surpass Jordan in All-Defense selections, it is hard to believe that he will be able to win four rings to best Jordan's six. LeBron James' statistics indicate that he is a much better overall basketball player.

While Jordan scored more overall, LeBron is a more efficient scorer. He has a better shooting percentage overall; he also shoots better at the three-point line, despite taking fewer shots. LeBron is also a much better passer and rebounder than Jordan ever was. MJ has a much better free throw percentage, which helps to bolster that points per game statistic. The two are almost even in efficiency ratings, with Michael being first overall in NBA history, and LeBron trailing slightly at second. Michael averaged more steals per game, but both players are dead even in blocks per game. LeBron turned the ball over more per game as well.

What these career stats show is that King James is capable of excelling in all aspects of the game, not just in scoring.In the Finals, LeBron loses his advantage in shooting efficiency but excels even higher above Jordan in his rebounding and passing ability. He also takes an advantage over Jordan defensively, leading in blocks and nearly equaling him in steals. Jordan won more games and thus has a greater overall record in the Finals. On an individual performance level, however, LeBron excels in more categories than Jordan in both their regular-season careers and Finals. One of the most important parts of basketball is being able to hit the big shots when your team needs it. If you're going to be an alpha male, lead your team, and be considered the greatest ever, then you have to be able to step up with cold blood and win a game.

Jordan is revered for being one of the most clutch players ever. LeBron, on the other hand, has been criticized his entire career for his lack of 'clutchness' compared to MJ or even Kobe. I compiled all of LeBron and Michael's playoff statistics and compared their career numbers to games in which they faced elimination, as well as games in which they could eliminate their opponents.

The results are as follows. The statistics show one thing clearly, LeBron steps up in the clutch far more strongly than Jordan did. When facing a chance to eliminate an opponent, Jordan was 30-10, or won 75% of the time. Of the eight main statistical categories, his numbers dropped in each except for free throw percentage and turnovers. He shot 9% worse, had 1.4 fewer rebounds, 2.1 fewer assists,.8 fewer steals, and.6 fewer blocks. His only impressive improvement was having.8 fewer turnovers in such games. His scoring efficiency, assists and rebounds, and overall defense all lacked in games where he could put opponents away.However, when facing elimination Jordan stepped up in some ways.

He's 5-7 in his career in elimination games, boasting a winning percentage of only 41.6%. Facing elimination, Jordan's field goal percentage, free throw percentage, steals, and turnovers all got worse. He improved in rebounds, assists, blocks, and points. While he shot worse slightly, he did score 2.7 more points per game.

His rebounds and assists improved well by 1.7 each per game. However, he missed 5.7% more free throws facing elimination and turned the ball over 1.5 more times per game.LeBron, when facing a chance to eliminate his opponent, boasts a record of 35-10, or a 77.8% winning percentage. Of the eight main statistical categories, he improved in six. His field goal percentage, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, and points per game all improved.

He shot 2.5% better overall, added 1.3 more rebounds,.6 more blocks, and 1.6 more points. His free throw percentage falls 3.3%, and he turns the ball over.4 more times per game. James simply gets a little more involved in games where he can finish his opponents, but many of his numbers only slightly increase in these situations.When James is facing elimination he completely changes. Of the eight main statistical categories, he improves in seven. He shoots 3.5% better, adds 5.6 more rebounds per game, 1.8 more assists,.8 more steals, 1 more block per game, 1.3 fewer turnovers, and 9.2 more points. His only downside is his free throw percentage drops 7.9% when facing elimination.

LeBron plays at a completely different level when facing elimination. He improves in his on-court efficiency in every way imaginable; scoring, rebounding, getting others involved, he vastly improves defensively, and he turns the ball over less.In conclusion, LeBron is much more clutch than Jordan. When the two smelled blood and had a chance to eliminate their opponents, LeBron wins 2.7% more often. When their backs are against the wall, LeBron wins 16.7% more often. Jordan only improved slightly in a few categories when facing elimination.

LeBron improved in almost every single category and improved incredibly when facing elimination. To say LeBron doesn't play better and more clutch in crunch time situations is absurd. LeBron James has also hit more buzzer beaters than Jordan, and more go-ahead shots with five seconds to go in the game.

His field goal percentage on these shots is also higher than Jordan's. You can see the statistics and video evidence of each of their made shots below.

Michael Jordan won his six rings in 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, and 1998. He has two three-peat performances that were separated by a short stint in baseball. While many believe this solidifies him as the greatest, they often fail to look at the league surrounding him at the time.Between the years of 1988 and 1995, the NBA expanded. Six teams were added; Hornets (88), Heat (88), Magic (89), Timberwolves (89), Raptors (95), and Grizzlies (95).

The following stats cover the time between their creation and their first playoff appearance as a team. They will include their overall game record, the number of games played against Michael, the overall record of Jordan vs that team in those years, and their playoff record against each other if applicable. While Jordan could be said to have played in an overall weak league, many believe LeBron has played in a weak conference for his whole career. The East has been behind the West in nearly every single one of LeBron's seasons in the league. Here is the total number of wins in head-to-head matchups between the two conferences. Chris Broussard made a claim before the 2017 Finals that Michael Jordan only faced 9 Hall of Famers during his championship games. LeBron has faced 30 so far.

Below is the Hall of Fame opponents listed, including potential future ones that LeBron has played. Jordan:. Magic Johnson. James Worthy.

Clyde Drexler. Charles Barkley. Gary Payton. John Stockton x2. Karl Malone x2Total: 9 LeBron:.

Tim Duncan x3. Tony Parker x3. Manu Ginobili x3. Dirk Nowitzki. Jason Kidd.

Kevin Durant x3. Russell Westbrook. James Harden. Kawhi Leonard x2. Steph Curry x4. Klay Thompson x4.

Draymond Green x4Total: 30Of course, not all of these players were in their prime, and overall both played against good competition. While this doesn't cover their playoff roads to get to the Finals, it shows the top talents each player faced on the biggest stage. LeBron has faced two dynasties on seven separate occasions in the Spurs and the Warriors. As for the playoffs, there is a long list of players who MJ and LeBron have faced, many of which were Hall of Famers as well. Below is the list of Hall of Famers each player has played in the playoffs alone, leading to the Finals. Jordan:. Larry Bird 0-2.

Kevin McHale 0-2. Dennis Johnson 0-2. Robert Parish 0-2.

Bill Walton 0-2. Isaiah Thomas 1-3. Joe Dumars 1-3. Adrian Dantley 0-2. Dennis Rodman 1-3. Patrick Ewing 5-0. Charles Barkley 2-0.

Dominique Wilkins 1-0. Alonzo Mourning 3-0.

Shaquille O'Neil 1-1. Dikembe Mutombo 1-0.

Reggie Miller 1-0Michael Jordan faced 16 Hall of Famers throughout the playoffs on 39 occasions. He posted a winning record against 6 of the 16, a tied record with 1, and a losing record with 9 of the 16. His total record in the playoffs against Hall of Fame opponents was 17-22, with 10 of his 17 wins coming against Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley and Alonzo Mourning alone.

If you include his Finals appearances, MJ faced 24 Hall of Famers on 48 separate occasions, with a final postseason record of 26-22, or 54%. The problem with this is 20% of his entire postseason wins came against 3 players who never won rings.

LeBron:. Ben Wallace: 1-1. Chauncey Billups: 2-1. Vince Carter 1-0. Allen Iverson 1-0. Jason Kidd 1-0.

Ray Allen 2-2. Kevin Garnett 3-2. Paul Pierce 3-2. Dwight Howard 0-1. Derrick Rose. 3-0 (These matchups were pre-injury against MVP caliber Rose).

Carmelo Anthony 1-0. Paul George 3-0. Jimmy Butler 2-0. Pau Gasol 1-0LeBron faced 14 current or future Hall of Famers throughout the playoffs, with many players who may end up there that aren't listed here.

He faced these 14 on 33 occasions. He posted a winning record against 11 of the 14, tied with 2, and only posted a losing record to Dwight Howard with a single matchup that he lost. His total record against Hall of Fame opponents in the playoffs was 24-9, having no more than 3 wins against a single opponent. If you include Finals appearances, LeBron faced 25 Hall of Famers on 65 occasions, with a final postseason record of 34-31, or 52%. Of those 25 Hall of Famers, 7 of them accounted for 17 of his matchup losses, being the dynasty Spurs and Warriors.In conclusion, we can see that both players won more than they lost. Jordan never beat the dynasty Celtics in the playoffs and had a 25% winning percentage against the Bad Boys of Detroit. The majority of his postseason wins came against Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley, and Alonzo Mourning; guys who never won a ring.

LeBron however, won against multiple Hall of Famers at a good ratio. He only posted a losing record in the playoffs against one Hall of Famer who he played a single time. Michael Jordan had a losing record in the playoffs against 9 Hall of Famers, 6 of which he never beat in the postseason.Only 9 out of 48 Hall of Fame opponents Jordan faced were in the Finals, 18%.32 out of 65 Hall of Fame opponents LeBron James faced were in the Finals, 49%. Aside from who they played, it also matters who they've played with! Many people credit LeBron with the development of the modern age super teams. They say he had to find help in order to win, starting when he left for Miami with Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade. He continued when he returned to Cleveland to join Kyrie Irving and recruited Kevin Love.

So who really played with better supporting players throughout their careers? Michael Jordan has six rings in six attempts. That's clearly better than LeBron's three rings in nine attempts, right? Not necessarily. While Jordan does have a better Finals record and more rings, it doesn't make him automatically better in the postseason. Based on the number of teams admitted to the playoffs, if you are knocked out in the first round, you could be ranked at 16th at worst and ninth at best. That ranking goes up to eighth and fifth during the second round.

If eliminated during the Conference Finals, you could be ranked fourth at worst or third at best. Losing in the Finals obviously means you are the second best team in the league. Below is a listing of the rounds LeBron and Jordan were eliminated in during the playoffs.

1st Round: Jordan 3, LeBron 0. 2nd Round: Jordan 2, LeBron 3. Conference Finals: Jordan 2, LeBron 1. Finals: Jordan 0, LeBron 6.

Wins: Jordan 6, LeBron 3James has either been the best or second best in nine of his 16 seasons. This means that 56.25% of the time, he would make the Finals and finish the season at first or second. 6.25% of the time, he would rank between third or fourth. He would rank between fifth and eighth 18.75% of the time. He has never ranked at ninth or lower when making the playoffs. James has missed the playoffs 3 times in his career, meaning he finished on a team that was ranked 17th or worse 18.75% of the time.Jordan was first or second in six of his 15 seasons. He was the best in the league 40% of the time.

He was third or fourth 13% of the time; that same number applies to how often he ranked between fifth and eighth. He ranked ninth and lower 20% of the time. Jordan has missed the playoffs 2 times in his career, meaning he finished on a team that was ranked 17th or worse 13.3% of the time.So while Jordan has a higher percentage of being the absolute best, he also had a higher percentage of being one of the worst teams in the playoffs. LeBron has a much more consistent stream of winning throughout his career, even if it wasn't winning the championship. Biased doesn't even begin to describe what this article is. Example, u said and I quote'Jordan won more games and thus has a greater overall record in the Finals. On an individual performance level, however, LeBron excels in more categories than Jordan in both their regular-season careers and Finals.'

But when I checked the stat sheet you put up as sample, Jordan beats LeBron 6-3 in the categories. How does this reflect that LeBron excel in more categories.Word of advice if you feel LeBron is better than Jordan that's fine by me but don't put up stats and then quote the opposite.You said LeBron is a better all round player and to me that is not true. I know you say that because LeBron averages more rebound and assist but that doesn't make him a better all round player. Remember assist, pts and offensive rebounds all make up a player's offense while blocks, steals and defensive rebound makes up a player's defense.

Jordan is a better offensively and defensively hence is better all round play than LeBron.I can go on and on about why your article is biased but I don't think it will change your opinion (which you have a right to) so I will say enjoy your opinion but don't throw it to the masses like it's facts. This article is so bias.

Even the polls beg to differ. Jordan is the G.O.A.T. Jordan didn't need a superteam to win championships, while Lebron desperately needed them to win a championship.

And the way Jordan just made his opponents look silly, will forever be unmatched by any player. Lebron can and will never be Jordan, no matter how he finishes his career.

Just look at your polls. It's not even a close argument to put Lebum in the same sentence as Jordan. It's insulting. Vlade Divac is in the hall of fame. He played with magic and worthy. Michael faced 5 hall of famers in the celtics. Bird, Mchale, Johnson, Walton, Parish.

Lebron pooped the bed in 2011. Michael would never let jason terry out score him or anyone out score him for an entire series. In one year MJ won the steals title, dunk title, mvp, scoring title, dpoy title and all star game mvp. Hes the better all around player. LBJ has longevity stats. He hasn't made a defensive first team in how long? Also take into account this era allows players to play a lot longer.

Interesting piece Jesse and some valid points, although I get the sense that you might get a bit lost in the details of the stats - I think it's especially tricky comparing stats from different eras without doing an incredibly extensive analysis of all stats across eras. However, when it comes to LBJ and MJ, big picture, one has 6 titles and one has 3 titles, and given bball is such an individualist game, it's hard to go past that, especially as many of their overall stats (esp PER) are so similar (I realise the rejoinder might be the Bill Russell argument, but I don't think you even have him in your top 10 players). I can't believe this is still being debated. I grew up a Jordan fan so you know where my vote lies. I will say that Jordan's legacy and continued relevance to the game by him being an owner makes it very difficult for Lebron to surpass hi. Koby retied and began faded out of this debate immediately. Michael changed the game with his play on the court and his branding of the Jordan name.

A LEGEND is a bigger than life story. With Jordan's well deserved legendary status, it is very unlikely that the Easter bunny will ever surpass Santa Claus. Merry Christmas everyone.

Oh, and for all Kobe fans, remember, there are tons of kids who still believe in the tooth fairly:). I am not comparing Phil Jackson to Eric Spoelstra. There is a clear gap in their legendary status at this time.

My only point is with regards to playing with a legendary coaches. Jordan's ability to play at a high level had nothing to do with Phil Jackson. Jackson can take praise for creating the triangle offence, which helped Jordan.

The 'Jordan Rules' was something which the triangle offence broke down. But again, this has nothing to do with Jordan's ability. The idea that LeBron is self taught and Jordan had great coaches is an excuse to try and make out that LeBron is superior. That is far from true.

Youre comparing Phil Jackson to Eric Spoelstra. Had Spoelstra won after LeBron, the way Jackson did when he went on to acquire 11 rings, people would absolutely say Spoelstra had great coaches. LeBron has never played for an elite coach early or late in their career. Phil Jackson created an offense that changed the game. Whether he was known at the time or not doesn't matter. That would be like saying Bill Belichick isn't a great coach because he didn't do anything before Brady and has never not had Brady playing.

He is who history shows he is, whether it was known at the time or not. Jesse Unk.He excelled but you cannot call him a legend or a great coach at that time. He was still unproven. Erik Spoelstra has won titles with Lebron, yet no one calls him a legend after winning his two titles. They say Lebron won it for him (with Wade and Bosh). Yet like, Jordan, Lebron had no title until going meeting up with the Erik Spoelstra.i think Jackson knew he had a winning formula and a one in a life time chance of working with Jordan. Pippen had a big part to play it all though, but eve though he excelled, using the excuse of a legendary coach cannot apply when Jordan won his titles.

Jackson was nobody as a coach at that time. Sorry, but I’m lost on the first breakdown of “Le Bron vs Michael Jordan Stats”.

Even if I take those stats at face value (which I won’t), I still see Jordan at minimum ahead in 5 categories as opposed to 4, and then I’m giving the blocks to Jordan (a guy who’s 6 foot 6 and averaging the same number of blocks per game as a guy who’s 6 foot 8 is superior in that category, so if we have to split them they’re going to Jordan.I’ve got a particular gripe with the stat of “Rebounds” though. Of all those stats, the one that can be most easily padded are “Defensive Rebounds”. C’mon let’s face it, a massive proportion of “Defensive” rebounds are just collecting the ball in free space while the opposing team are already down the other end setting up their defence. If we look at “Offensive” Rebounds, which are always contested, Jordan is substantially ahead with 1.6 vs 1.2 per game.

So here we have a 6-6 guy who is taking down more “Offensive” Rebounds than a guy who’s 6-8. I’m giving Rebounds as a stat to Jordan!!And why is it anyway that the only stats that anyone seems to focus on in these assessments are the first three, after which they always drift off into the same vague statement of “Le Bron is clearly a better all round player”. All around what?? There’s only two ends of the court and Jordan blocks more, he steals more, he scores more, he rebounds offensively more. Are we really saying that because of those flimsy Assists and Defensive Rebound stats that James is a better all round player??!!. I still had this window open when I went back to my iPad tonight and I glanced down to what you wrote. Did you just infer that Durant is better than Jordan?

The dude who choked away a 3-1 lead and then went to play for the team who he choked it away against? Are you out of your f.ing mind? Lol I’m not mad, really. It’s just pretty absurd and tells me you didn’t watch the NBA in those days. Let me tell you something, son. Replace Durant with Jordan and the Warriors aren’t going to the Finals that year. Jordan puts his foot on their neck and ends that sucka!:) C’mon, man!

I’ve seen both dudes play. Jordan was more dominant.

You can try and skew the argument in LBJ’s favor all you want. During the last five minutes of ball games, I’ve seen LBJ disappear in ways that MJ never did. Case in point.

2010 Playoffs against the Celtics, 2011 Finals against the Mavs, 2013 Finals against the Spurs in Game 6 where he turned the ball over 3 times in the final 5 minutes of the game to hand the Spurs the trophy before they chocked it away by missing free throws and not getting a key rebound (why wasn’t Duncan on the floor? I’ll never know) - anyway, check the tape. And here are some facts. Grant/Pippen/Rodman combined for 10 All-Star appearances.

Love/Irving/Wade/Bosh have 33. So no, LBJ did not have less help than MJ. Want some more facts? I knew that you would! MJ - 6 Championships to LBJ’s 3, Finals MVPs 6 to 3, League MVPs 5 to 4, scoring titles 10 to 1, Defensive Player of the Year 1 to 0, steals titles 3 to 0.

I mean, you can’t argue it away. Jordan was better. On top of all that, his prime efficiency stats were also better.

Done and done. Give it up, millennials! Alphadogg I'd read my other article on MJ. You'd be surprised how few quality opponents Jordan faced and beat. His record against hall of fame players is abysmal.

Most of his wins against HOFers were compiled against Barkley and Ewing, the ringless wonders. He rarely beat a HOF opponent in their prime. Lebron hasn't played in as physical of a league, but the athleticism of this league is far beyond what Jordan faced. If KD had played in Jordan's era we wouldn't even be talking about MJ as the GOAT. They'd be answerless for players like him.

After watching LBJ lose yet another NBA Finals, and this hub popped up again, I thought Id strengthen my argument on MJ. The evolution of today's game is set up for LBJ to dominate. If MJ played in today's game, he would still dominate. MJ never had the spacing LBJ has, 3 point shooters weren't as good or abundant as they are now, defense is basically outlawed, no hand checking, physicality is rarely allowed, with LBJ's size, speed and athleticism he's virtually unstoppable. MJ never had stretch 4 & 5's to pull the rim protector away from the basket leaving the lane open to do as he pleased, and MJ never had the offensive fire power LBJ has had along side him in Kyrie, Wade, Love, Bosh.

The best MJ had was Pippen, who initially was a defensive stopper, his offensive was slowly developed. The 8 straight finals appearances are grossly over rated, the eastern conference has been like the CBA since the fall of the Celtics and D Rose led Bulls, LBJ doesn't even face a real team until he gets to the finals.and hence why the 3-6 record.

LBJ is the most physically gifted player ever.but not even close to being the GOAT. You're correct in that Horace Grant isn't in the Hall of Fame yet, but he most likely will be at some point similar to many of the players LeBron played with. Absolutely not a first ballot, but will probably join at some point in his career. I'd also disagree with your statement that LeBron lacks a killer instinct. His first Finals appearance he was triple teamed by a Spurs team that knew he had no help. He absolutely choked twice in Miami, but since he carried a depleted Cavs team to 6 his first year back in Cleveland, brought them back from a 3-1 deficit for a ring, and averaged a triple double last season. Kobe was known for Killer instinct, and even he lost twice.

I think winning matters at all levels of the game. Like I stated above, if only rings mattered the greatest ever would be Bill Russell. While this is a pretty good analysis and growing up in Chicago and being a Bulls fan since before MJ, When Artis Gilmore and Orlando Woolridge were the Alphas, my opinion might be a little biased. I agree that Lebron is an all around better player, makes the players around him better, however since when do moral victories count? Winning more in the playoffs versus winning in the Finals, when it counts the most.

I think MJ is the Goat simply because of his heart, his will to win, that 'Killer intinct', something Lebron does not have/never had. Their were rules made up to stop MJ, hand checking, manhandling was perfectly legal and he was mugged on the court pretty much every night. Lebron has had much more talent around him in Miami and this second stint with Cleveland and I'm pretty sure Horace Grant is not in the Hall of Fame. For more information on managing or withdrawing consents and how we handle data, visit our Privacy Policy at: Show Details NecessaryHubPages Device IDThis is used to identify particular browsers or devices when the access the service, and is used for security reasons.LoginThis is necessary to sign in to the HubPages Service.Google RecaptchaThis is used to prevent bots and spam. AkismetThis is used to detect comment spam. HubPages Google AnalyticsThis is used to provide data on traffic to our website, all personally identifyable data is anonymized.

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